13.10.2005, 16:43
Citation :Citation :Sylverbarbe est très ancien, mais on sait qu'ils sont arrivés en Terre du Milieu du fait de la pière de Yavanna après la création des Nains pour Aulë.
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Rectification:
Les ents sont apparus en terre du milieu lorsque Yavanna venait de créer les olvar (végétaux) et les kelvar (animaux), pendant le printemps d'arda ou age des lampes, et qu'elle pria Eru Iluvatar de créer des gardiens pour les olvar afin de les protéger, ces gardiens étant les ents.
De plus, il est bien précisé que Fangorn Sylvebarbe est le plus ancien être vivant sur Arda.
Ce n'est que pendant l'age des arbres, lorsque les ténèbres recouvraient endor, qu'Aule, impatient d'attendre la venue des elfes, créa les nains, et sur ordre d'Eru Iluvatar les mit en sommeil.
Donc les nains furent créés bien après les ents (plusieurs millénaires après).
Non les Ents ont été créés pour Yavanna par Eru en personne sur sa demande, après la création des Nains, relis-le chapitre 4 du Silmarillion que voici:
Citation :It is told that in their beginning the Dwarves were made by Aulë in the darkness of Middle-earth; for so greatly did Aulë desire the coming of the Children, to have learners to whom he could teach his lore and his crafts, that he was unwilling to await the fulfilment of the designs of Ilúvatar.
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But I will not suffer this: that these should come before the Firstborn of my design, nor that thy impatience should be rewarded. They shall sleep now in the darkness under stone, and shall not come forth until the Firstborn have awakened upon Earth; and until that time thou and they shall wait, though long it seem. But when the time comes I will awaken them, and they shall be to thee as children; and often strife shall arise between thine and mine, the children of my adoption and the children of my choice.'
Then Aulë took the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves, and laid them to rest in far-sundered places; and he returned to Valinor, and waited while the long years lengthened.
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Now when Aulë laboured in the making of the Dwarves he kept this work hidden from the other Valar; but at last he opened his mind to Yavanna and told her of all that had come to pass. Then Yavanna said to him: 'Eru is merciful. Now I see that thy heart rejoiceth, as indeed it may; for thou hast received not only forgiveness but bounty. Yet because thou hiddest this thought from me until its achievement, thy children will have little love for the things of my love. They will love first the things made by their own hands, as doth their father. They will delve in the earth, and the things that grow and live upon the earth they will not heed. Many a tree shall feel the bite of their iron without pity.'
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Then Manwë awoke, and he went down to Yavanna upon Ezellohar, and he sat beside her beneath the Two Trees. And Manwë said: 'O Kementári, Eru hath spoken, saying: "Do then any of the Valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared. For a time: while the Firstborn are in their power, and while the Secondborn are young." But dost them not now remember, Kementári, that thy thought sang not always alone? Did not thy thought and mine meet also, so that we took wing together like great birds that soar above the clouds? That also shall come to be by the heed of Ilúvatar, and before the Children awake there shall go forth with wings like the wind the Eagles of the Lords of the West.'
Then Yavanna was glad, and she stood up, reaching her arms towards the heavens, and she said: 'High shall climb the trees of Kementári, that the Eagles of the King may house therein!'
Par la suite Eru pitié, donne des citations, sinon ce débat sera aussi stérile que les terres du Mordor!
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